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Rockets Wire. Women's Health. Miami Herald. Consequence of Sound. Daily Paws. Sixers Wire. Star Tribune Minneapolis. But while joined by many bonds, which one precedes and brings forth the other is not easy to discern. This sentence deserves some examination and its implications are rarely considered in today's debates about Calvin. Human beings when doing theology are unavoidably still human, and that means our ideas about God reflect also our ideas about ourselves.
I'll add a final comment, in response to the claim that John Calvin was a "murderer" This allegation is sometimes made in respect of the Michael Servetus case. Servetus was, in many ways, an extraordinary person: a doctor, a philosopher-theologian, an inventor, a polymath.
He was executed by the Geneva Council after being tried for denying the doctrine of the Trinity. Servetus has been expelled from many Reformed and Catholic cities. In fact, he was already facing a Catholic death sentence when, for reasons no-one can explain, he turned up in Calvin's church while Calvin was preaching on August 13, Some historians think Servetus had a death-wish: already a fugitive, why would he challenge the Geneva authorities by entering their jurisdiction?
Geneva was a young republic and nervous about its reputation in both the Reformed world and in the minds of Catholic authorities. Not to act in such a notorious case would bring condemnation from Protestant and Catholic jurisdictions alike. It is clear that Calvin's role in the case was morally questionable by our modern lights.
But by the standards of his own day, his role was to report the presence of a known lawbreaker. We would not consider heresy a crime; but it was in the 16th century, and not only in Geneva. The city council held a trial and Calvin played no part in the trial; he gave no evidence, and -- contrary to a common myth -- he did not act as the judge. When the council found Servetus guilty and condemned him to death by burning, Calvin intervened to request that Servetus be executed by a more humane method.
The Council ignored the request. It is difficult to claim that Calvin is a "murderer" on the basis of this involvement. That said, no-one today except in some religious theocracies would defend the kind of "justice" meted out to Michael Servetus.
His treatment under the law of Geneva was a disgrace by our standards today, and Calvin's participation in Genevan civic society implicates him in that judgement. The Servetus affair undoubtedly presents the dark side of John Calvin. Servetus has mocked Calvin's ideas both publicly and in private correspondence, and Calvin passionately resented it.
He hated Servetus and vowed, in advance of Servetus's arrival in Geneva, that the Spaniard would regret ever falling into his hands. These are not words one associates with the tender mercies of Christ. They reveal a theologian and pastor who was willing to act out of vindictiveness in defence of his own ideas. Sign in or register to comment. I don't see the distinction in outcome between predestination and double predestination. So in the first instance God choosing who to save does not mean that those he didn't save were damned?
Isn't that what traditional Calvinists believe? If you're not saved, you're damned, right? So what the hell? Predestination is just as 'bad' as double predestination. In both cases God 'knows' what the hell he's doing. Congratulations the saved! Hell for the damned! Much more consistent with the character of a loving God, isn't it? And not only that, but neither of these concepts make any sense whatsoever within Christian theology. What's the point of evangelism if nobody can choose salvation, it's all preordained from the beginning of time?
What's the point of choosing anything? Free will is eradicated. Thought you knew what John was about? Complain about this comment Comment number 1. Also, they say God demonstrates his love by choosing to save some, and demonstrates his justice by choosing to damn others. This action would demonstrate neither love nor justice, since it's individuals we're dealing with.
If the purpose is to reward good and punish bad, every individual is a mixture of the two. Perhaps heaven and hell are consequences which can be mixed like an eternal cocktail?
To the degree you're good, you'll have heaven, to the degree you're bad you'll have hell? Personally, I don't believe in a God who sends people to eternal torment and micromanages human existence and 'sends' them to a 'where' when they die and preordains everything in just such a way as to make it seem so random. I'm not sure Calvin was all that smart.
Complain about this comment Comment number 2. To paraphrase Bertrand Russell: that is why "I am not a Calvinist". Complain about this comment Comment number 3. Catholicism suits you better slightly hedonistic, loose and emotional. And as for the "slightly hedonistic, loose and emotional", is that Catholicism, or is that me? Is Catholicism slightly hedonistic, loose and emotional? Complain about this comment Comment number 4. However, you live your life in a lighter way than Calvinists do, which allows you to enjoy it more.
Complain about this comment Comment number 5. Complain about this comment Comment number 6. Coverage given by Sunday Sequence to assessing the life and legacy of John Calvin has been very interesting and informative, even to those who are not Calvinist in theology.
The difficulties raised by his teaching however, both theologically and biblically, remain to this day, dividing Evangelicals into two schools - Calvinist and Arminian.
It was the latter group, known then as "the Remonstrants" who originally formulated the "Five Points" - not of Calvinism - but of disagreement with Reformed teaching. While marks the th anniversary of Calvin's birth, on October 19th it will also be the th anniversary of the premature death of the Dutch theologian and professor Jacob Arminius, whose teachings were adopted and are still held by the many of those who do not subscribe to those of John Calvin.
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